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Going Tubeless Spokes
Old 09-10-2012, 10:15 AM   #1
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Going Tubeless Spokes

Not sure if maybe this should be under the How-To Guides section (Admin, you decide - thanks) ... I have seen the other "sticky'd" version of this, however I am using 3M 5200 Marine Sealant. .... Transferring over from some other forums, I've broken out the comments; here goes:

09/02/12
So it begins.




Last Sunday .... A beautiful day in South Florida. Did I ride? Yes. Albeit a short ride because I wanted to get a jump start on removing the tires from the wheels so I could begin the sealing process. But Aced It, you haven't even received your tire iron set yet. So. Let's just say I'm pretty handy at using whatever's at my disposal.

First, a few ride pics by the bay. A homeless dude was right beside me in these pics. Drunker than Hell ... funny shit right there! He was excessively complimentary of my scoot, but shit, he wouldn't shut up! He blabbed on about his having been a millionaire, knowing every single person that lives in those wealthy houses across the bay, his working in the bait shop (just out of pic) as a child, his dying mother, his father the NY accountant ... then after about 15 minutes of chatting, he began to leave and mumbled, "I don't mean to bother you again, but do you have a quarter?" ... Yeah, I saw that coming ... I gave him a dollar and told him not to spend it on beer. He laughed ... I laughed. Then he hopped on his bicycle with three beers in a plastic bag on the handlebars and bid me fair well.

Ride pics (and the last time you'll see her on the Dunlops).




Remove the air and break the bead. I used my Dremel to modify a small torx bit in order to remove the valve (sorry I couldn't get my phone-cam to focus for that shot). I also cut up a water bottle to use as rim protectors. Worked quite well! What you don't see is that I was using one hand to "hang" from the garage door beam to balance myself while hopping on the shovel. Hahahaha, my wife was laughing! Hey, it worked! I will add too that the rear tire was a bit more difficult than the front, but overall not a problem.



Remove the tire. Yeah, that's a baseboard removal tool. I used that, a flimsy screwdriver and a crowbar. My neighbor came over after I did one tire and had another baseboard tool. That made it easier.


Wire-wheel the inside of the rim. Not shown is spraying it down with Formula 88 degreaser, hosing off and blowing dry. I'll let it dry in the house overnight to get rid of all humidity and wet spots.
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Old 09-10-2012, 10:17 AM   #2
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And as she sits and how she'll sit for probably over a week or so while I wait for the new tires.




I got busy and fabbed up a stand from some scrap wood I had. Nothing pretty, just all function. Freebies! Love 'em! ... Anyway, I'll be using this for not only the sealing process, but for refinishing the PD on the rims and layin' down some new WWW's on the new tires; and if I need to balance the wheels. The Ride-On puncture protectant I ordered claims to do a fair job at that, so we'll see. The stand uses the stock wheel axles to permit the wheels to spin freely.




Ran to the auto store and got some tubeless tire valves. These were kinda cool as it gives you the option of using one of two different diameter rubber collars.



I chose the .453" diameter as I wanted to leave as much rim material between the valve stem and the closest spoke. By the way, so you don't have to run to look it up, .453" = 29/64" ... my drill bits are in fractions. I actually ended up with a 7/8" hole using my multi-bit. I found that the .453" collar fits in a little more snug.




Ah, now the magic! I began the sealing process by dabbing some 5200 on each spoke end. Then I went around and massaged each dab into the spoke ends. After that, I rotated the wheel and put three strips of sealant around the wheel and smoothed it all in. I sealed around the tire valve stem as well, being careful to not clog the air tunnel.


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Old 09-10-2012, 10:18 AM   #3
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So that's where I'm at as of now. I have the wheels inside my house so the curing process can go smoothly without the heat and humidity of the garage playing a factor.




I guess I feel it important to point this out since I did not mention it. Keep the bead seat area free from the sealant; basically from the outermost lip of the rim inward to the bead seat safety hump, keeping all sealant in the center valley of the wheel (see pic).

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Old 09-10-2012, 10:19 AM   #4
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Tires are supposed to be here today. However, UPS tracking indicates "Delayed by Train" .... well that sucks. We'll see.
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It has been done before...http://www.shadowriders.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=23854

Your write up looks pretty good though, the coverage looks much better.
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Old 09-10-2012, 10:50 AM   #6
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Quote:
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It has been done before...http://www.shadowriders.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=23854

Your write up looks pretty good though, the coverage looks much better.

Thanks. Yeah, I know I'm not the pioneer, however I thought it worth mentioning.
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Definitely worth mentioning...thinking of doing this next time I change my tires on the VLX.
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is there any benefit other than "hassle" to go tubeless?
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Cost savings on tubes as well as MUCH easier road side repair. With a tubeless tire you can at least keep a plug kit and CO2 kit in your tool bag to get you home, with a tube and flat tire on the side of the road you are pretty much screwed!
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Cost savings on tubes as well as MUCH easier road side repair. With a tubeless tire you can at least keep a plug kit and CO2 kit in your tool bag to get you home, with a tube and flat tire on the side of the road you are pretty much screwed!
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